Why do people waste money

[Mr. Satan]

Something I don't understand is, why do some people buy VIP, then leave right after they download the repack? I figured VIP's would be a lot more active? They're kind of wasting money if they're not going to stay here. They're missing out on repack updates, a growing community, and all the other benefits of the VIP rank comes with.

It doesn't really make any sense. If you're going to buy VIP, why not stay? There's nothing wrong with making general conversation, or helping people, on the internet, especially if you're financially invested in the website/repack.

Anyone have any clue what's up with this?

 

[Tyrelis]

Not a clue.. I can only think of one reason members who just want a updated version of the repack because they don't know how to compile cores themselves and there only here to leech not contribute.

 

[Mr. Satan]

Not a clue.. I can only think of one reason members who just want a updated version of the repack because they don't know how to compile cores themselves and there only here to leech not contribute.

There's nothing wrong with not knowing how to compile cores themselves and whatnot.
I personally would rather just download a repack and play from the start, so I can play through the story without doing much work.
That's also why I donated, other than for the VIP access, it's to say thanks for the hard work.

The thing is, a lot of these people come here for a repack, and once they get either the public/free or the VIP repack, they probably play it for maybe a month tops. I think that's why there's not much people staying here, because not enough people are actually interested in WoW repacks or anything like that. They just want a bit of fun in WoW using the fly command instead of actually playing.

 

[HellHammer]

I agree, if they don't want to be active they should at least stay and get their moneys worth, there's so much on this site to explore and use.

 

[OMGhixD]

This topic actually sums up a realtime issue. yet we should not question why people decide to leave EVEN if they donated / contributed with some sort of currency as in this case dollars.

This would essentially make people NOT wanna donate at all ( PERHAPS )

and that would also lead to economical issues for this community and it's server. ( Web-server ) [AS FAR AS I KNOW AND BELIEVE, I do not wanna point out any information as if the administration team here couldn't pay the bills etc. I am sure they have a bulletproof economical plan, Yet i do know for a fact that A LOT OF COMMUNITY'S relay on donations as either full time bill payments or just perhaps a helping hand]

Therefor i believe we should instead of conversating about this. We should try to make a difference perhaps release certain stuff that MAKES THEM STAY ( FREQUENT AND OFTEN COMMUNITY UPDATES, Which is something WE as a community can provide )

There is also another idea i have on my mind. which would be the hacker lounge, which is for hacking in general, perhaps for software? perhaps for Games?
Perhaps for cracking certain systems. OR just learning how to prevent hacks happening. I believe that it is an ideal solution towards the activity problem. It's just an idea so don't take the "hacking lounge" TOO SERIOUSLY BUT something within that range. There are A LOT of people on this forum that knows so much but still shares so little.

But those who DO share much. Let me give you my personal Thank you

- OMGhixD

 

[Mr. Satan]

This topic actually sums up a realtime issue. yet we should not question why people decide to leave EVEN if they donated / contributed with some sort of currency as in this case dollars.

This would essentially make people NOT wanna donate at all ( PERHAPS )

and that would also lead to economical issues for this community and it's server. ( Web-server ) [AS FAR AS I KNOW AND BELIEVE, I do not wanna point out any information as if the administration team here couldn't pay the bills etc. I am sure they have a bulletproof economical plan, Yet i do know for a fact that A LOT OF COMMUNITY'S relay on donations as either full time bill payments or just perhaps a helping hand]

Therefor i believe we should instead of conversating about this. We should try to make a difference perhaps release certain stuff that MAKES THEM STAY ( FREQUENT AND OFTEN COMMUNITY UPDATES, Which is something WE as a community can provide )

There is also another idea i have on my mind. which would be the hacker lounge, which is for hacking in general, perhaps for software? perhaps for Games?
Perhaps for cracking certain systems. OR just learning how to prevent hacks happening. I believe that it is an ideal solution towards the activity problem. It's just an idea so don't take the "hacking lounge" TOO SERIOUSLY BUT something within that range. There are A LOT of people on this forum that knows so much but still shares so little.

But those who DO share much. Let me give you my personal Thank you

- OMGhixD

A quick thing on the hacking lounge, that's a good idea but bad idea at the same time. As much as I would like it, it all depends on the rules of the host. Back when I had websites using JustHost, they didn't allow any form of "hacking". And we have to be careful, if we start sharing games uploaded/downloaded illegally, then the site could get taken down.

As for the rest, I know that all donations are appreciated, but I'm just curious as to why people leave, which is an important question, even though you say we shouldn't ask it. We have to know why people leave, other than just grabbing the repack then leave. Other sections have been suggested by me, and a few other people, and ExO has said he's worried about it looking messy, because if nobody posts in those sections, it doesn't look very well, which I kind of agree.

I don't think conversating about this has any chance of preventing people from donating in the future. I'm only questioning why people leave, not why they donate. I agree it can be a risky topic, and some things shouldn't be said, but for now I think it's fine.

As for sharing, I agree 100%. I've been thinking about making more Java tutorials, but I don't know where to start. I want to make enough tutorials that someone will actually be able to learn enough from it to start making their own Java releases. Speaking of releases, once I learn GUI's in my Java class, I plan on releasing some things for this site, although I only have 1 thing in mind right now, sadly.

Back to people leaving, we need something to keep them here. Maybe some sort of community game? Something that is hosted on this site, and other players can interact through it. Like maybe some sort of fighting/adventure game, where other people can trade items, duel, etc. And all this can be done with a simple 2d game, perhaps with little to no animation at all (although animation would be nice).
I think something like this can be done in Java, and when I'm done with my class, I might look into trying to make it.

 

[OMGhixD]

Yeh. i like that a lot more

Also, this is hosted within OVH and as far as i know We are already sharing an illegal product ( world of warcraft private server content ) Cracked fusion cms themes the cms and modules. so technically if WE WERE to get shut down because of illegal content it would've happened already

 

[Mr. Satan]

Yeh. i like that a lot more

Also, this is hosted within OVH and as far as i know We are already sharing an illegal product ( world of warcraft private server content ) Cracked fusion cms themes the cms and modules. so technically if WE WERE to get shut down because of illegal content it would've happened already

While that may be true, I don't think having/sharing links to Photoshop, or games like Call of Duty, etc, will help. By having that, we'd be begging the big companies do so something.
Blizzard only really cares about the big servers, not really repacks being downloaded for general private use, so they're not going to waste much time working on sueing/taking down a site that's only producing a repack.

As for the Fusion CMS, I don't know much about them, but I don't think Fusion is a big enough company to try to take down the site, especially when it's like 1 or 2 posts.

With just those, we're not drawing that much attention, but if we start actually allowing it, then we could be in trouble. I can maybe see having it in the VIP section, but even then, it's still a little risky.

 

[ExO]

Yeh. i like that a lot more

Also, this is hosted within OVH and as far as i know We are already sharing an illegal product ( world of warcraft private server content ) Cracked fusion cms themes the cms and modules. so technically if WE WERE to get shut down because of illegal content it would've happened already

Sorry for the sloopy reply time, anyways it is not hosted within OVH, and we do get DMCA's at EmuCoach from time to time by cracked content, which most of the times are ignored, if it is not too much of an issue, but an "hacking lounge" is in my opinion an interesting section which could contain a lot of useful resources and information, but it would have to have a lot of strict rules because the intention would not be to have serious hacking tools that are highly illegal, as well as keyloggers and such.

 

[Mr. Satan]

Sorry for the sloopy reply time, anyways it is not hosted within OVH, and we do get DMCA's at EmuCoach from time to time by cracked content, which most of the times are ignored, if it is not too much of an issue, but an "hacking lounge" is in my opinion an interesting section which could contain a lot of useful resources and information, but it would have to have a lot of strict rules because the intention would not be to have serious hacking tools that are highly illegal, as well as keyloggers and such.

Well there's hacking tools, which could be considered as "computer" tools, so we could technically get around that by wording the rules properly.

But I think OMGhiXD was talking about also having an illegal content section, such as copyrighted content in there. Which, I can see only users with a certain post count can get in there, and all links have to be through specific sites with virus scans (something from virustotal for example), and screenshots required. The virus scans and screenshots are to help prevent viruses on other members, and the high post count to get in is to ensure that some random company doesn't come on here and find out their program/game is hosted here for free.
That's also why no attachments in any threads in the section, no matter what. Which I believe there is a setting to not allow attachments.

And if needed, maybe have a moderator in there that deletes everything after 30 days, then it's up to the thread poster to post it again if anyone wants it, and that'd be to keep the threat of a DMCA warning at minimum.

These are just simple suggestions should you decide to have a hacking section, but I would advise against it unless you're sure the site would be fine. I personally would love to have this section, but we have to be safe here.

 

[Endafy]

Something I don't understand is, why do some people buy VIP, then leave right after they download the repack? I figured VIP's would be a lot more active? They're kind of wasting money if they're not going to stay here. They're missing out on repack updates, a growing community, and all the other benefits of the VIP rank comes with.

It doesn't really make any sense. If you're going to buy VIP, why not stay? There's nothing wrong with making general conversation, or helping people, on the internet, especially if you're financially invested in the website/repack.

Anyone have any clue what's up with this?

They will most likely download the updates in the future. Here is my take, not everyone wants to be part of a community. In fact the whole idea turns them completely off. They don't want to help. It isn't a waste of money, they got what they paid for. Not everyone wants nor needs friends. I know I don't and after I pay, I will probably become very inactive, downloading updates etc, knowing that my money went toward supporting the developer, knowing that the more people pay the more he is willing to update it. "Community" is a dirty word to some people. How is it a waste of money supporting something that you will use all the time?

 

[Mr. Satan]

They will most likely download the updates in the future. Here is my take, not everyone wants to be part of a community. In fact the whole idea turns them completely off. They don't want to help. It isn't a waste of money, they got what they paid for. Not everyone wants nor needs friends. I know I don't and after I pay, I will probably become very inactive, downloading updates etc, knowing that my money went toward supporting the developer, knowing that the more people pay the more he is willing to update it. "Community" is a dirty word to some people. How is it a waste of money supporting something that you will use all the time?

As long as the people who pay come back, it isn't a waste of money at all.
I've seen people come here, purchase VIP, then never come back.

 

[Endafy]

As long as the people who pay come back, it isn't a waste of money at all.
I've seen people come here, purchase VIP, then never come back.

So you can see when they log in and download the VIP version? Sorry I cant do VIP this month, gunna have to wait a bit. Other bills etc.

 

[Mr. Satan]

So you can see when they log in and download the VIP version? Sorry I cant do VIP this month, gunna have to wait a bit. Other bills etc.

For the most part. I just look at VIP profiles and see the last time they logged in, etc.
Also it's all fine, EmuCoach appreciates all members, VIP and non-VIP.

 

[Marko]

The answer to this question is quite simple actually. It is nothing strange or unusual.
"Why do people waste money?"
Because they choose to. While some general tendencies of certain society like the one here can be put into some patterns, it is still impossible to fit everyone in the same box. And the ones who do not fit in the box just might be the ones who are most important to you personally.
Not a single living being is completely the same, all are different. People certainly have different desires and tendencies.
someone might also ask "Why people do not waste money?" and the answer is the same.
They will always do what they want to do and that is it. Your only concern is what you want to do and how to do it. That is all.

 

[eyerobot]

This is all interesting, But I believe the major reason that people don't hang around after downloading the free repack, Is because they aren't familiar enough with the condition of 4.3.4 servers in general, So they don't know how bad they really are. And they begin to play the repack, and run into a bug. So they assume that this is no different than any other repack posted on the web, Except this one is also for sale with a higher version number.

So they wander off to go play some private server that promises fixes for free, Which is all well and good, Unless your the kind of person that doesn't like pvp, You will find it very difficult to find a server that you like. And may eventually wander back to this site someday and try it again. But this time with a little more reading first, So they can see what their actually getting.

One thing that keeps people from becoming VIP is that the forums don't tell you exactly what you want to know. Such as right now i can't figure out if version 7.0 ever got released to the VIP's. Which for me is a major concern before i throw down any money.
Also, If i do get VIP and download a new server, Is it a complete package with preinstalled database and launchers. Or would i have to compile it. It doesn't say.
Also what about character migration from the old V6 to V7, Is that possible, and are the tools provided for this?
This information may be in the forums, But for a non VIP it's impossible to find.

So very quickly a person will realize that although there are changelogs everywhere, They really aren't being told a lot of details. Details that ultimately decide wether or not their willing to pay for this repack, And/or hang around on these forums.

Other people throw down money without reading much at all, Get the VIP repack for their Lan party or whatever, Then store it away on some drive, In case they ever want to play again. There isn't much you can do for people with short attention spans, But a more in depth advertisement may also help them as well.

Programmers, And database veterans most likely avoid these forums for the sole reason that they believe their work will be stolen, And they wouldn't be rewarded for their work. Speaking from experience, This has happened almost every single time that I worked on some online project. The one small post that i found about this subject, Promised some type of reward, But gives no details whatsoever about what is expected, And what is rewarded. That thread should be expanded greatly.

So overall, The forums appear to show a lot of information, But when you start searching, You don't find the answers to these questions. And this makes the entire project appear shady to anyone searching for a new online home. And so far as that hacker corner goes, It should be gone, Or invisible. It gives you a very bad reputation when people see that.

 

[poktor]

I don't completely agree with eyerobot. These forums are for people that already have a certain level of technical knowhow, a certain set of skills. That's exactly the reason why they're call "dev-forums". Forums like this one, Emucoach, but also Ragezone, are meeting places for developers, releasing stuff for other developers with the same interest, to try out, find and if possible fix some bugs in it and post their findings and fixes here on the emucoach forum, so that other developers can use them. This way everyone contributes and helps everyone here, that's the main purpose of these dev-forums. This is why Emucoach is NOT for the casual gamer, looking for a private server to leech. I also think this is where the misunderstanding starts: the leeching gamers expect a completed, bug-free end-product, with all the bugs removed. This is NOT what the releases here are. They have bugs. Serious bugs too in some cases, because they are all a "work-in-progress". They are simply not finished. Perhaps this is something that people should be made more aware of so we can avoid disappointments.

 

[WildTuber]

It's there choice, and it''s there money that they earn. They can deicde what they spend there cash on. I'll never spend money when I don't have to, only when it's nessearcy, if people want to waste their cash, that's there decision.